Post by Admin on Jan 14, 2015 8:17:19 GMT -5
As some of you may have heard by now, our member Jberry827 was booted along with Black_Mamba after it became overwhelmingly apparent that they were actually the same person. Alpha’s Tricky (Raiders owner, and host of “Timeout! with Tricky) sat down with Berry, who comes clean finally about his shenanigans. You can read that below, but if you’re not familiar with how we figured out he was running two teams, keep reading here to have full context of the below interview.
How we found out:
Our MOD CShearman had brought it to my attention that he suspected Berry might be Mamba based on their play styles, and playcalling. We already knew they “knew” each other because Berry recommended Mamba, but this caused us to look further into it and keep a close eye on it. While paying more attention to it, we started to see certain things that stood out. One was that Mamba’s cell was hard to reach, and when some people got an answer it was sometimes from his “fiance” telling us he was sleeping. When Berry was asked how he knew Mamba, at one point he had told us that they were friends and neighbors because their fiances were best friends, only for Berry to tell us a week later that he and Mamba are cousins. I tried to see if I could catch them by asking Mamba to sign up on daddyleagues, which I knew tracked IP addresses. The IP addresses didn’t match, but that could have been because of the fact that Berry and Mamba signed up for DL in different locations or devices (home and work, cell and cpu). Another tactic I took was to check Facebook for a Jordan Berry, and try to see if Sam Ross (mamba) had a Facebook as well. Only Berry did, but while on Berry’s page I realized something, his fiances name was the same name of the email Mamba used to sign up for daddyleagues. With that piece of info, combined with the many inconsistencies and signs they displayed over the past few weeks, we felt we had almost enough to approach him about it. The final straw would come Week 12 in Alpha when both were scheduled to play each other, we knew if one went on auto it would be enough for us. Surely enough, on a Tuesday when the advance is Thursday, Mamba comes in the chat to say he has to go on auto, this was when we approached him about it. Now, you’ll hear Berry talk about how he would have admitted it if I would have just came to him about it, he says this despite the fact that when I brought him into a chat with our Mods to get his side, he denied it for almost an hour, and still never admitted it to us until he spoke to Tricky. We take it seriously for a couple of reasons, first being that it’s deceitful, and the second being that he made/attempted trades with himself. He was using Mamba as some sort of extension of his team, trading for Julio Jones and trying multiple times to trade for Gerald McCoy. So that’s the gist of it, there were many more signs than the ones I listed, but these were the biggest telltale ones I could think of at the moment. I hope you enjoy the interview. -Mike
This interview is in rough form (copy and pasted directly from the GroupMe DM). It was done from Berry's "other" GroupMe under his Mamba name Sam Ross.
Tricky
Who is sam Ross
All I wanna know
Sam Ross
lol Sam ross is JB
Tricky
Where did you come up with that name?
Sam Ross
only reason I told you is cause you see the only cool one and I just made is up I mean it even sounds like a made up name haha
Tricky
We've pretty much known for a few weeks, we were looking forward to this day when both teams played each other
Why would you do that?
Like is there something seriously wrong with you? Or do you really just have no life at all
Sam Ross
I mean i though Yall figured out a long time ago lol I mean mamba was never in the chat and I just wanted 2 teams in the league it ain't like I fucked up the league or anything if mike would have texted me and asked me I just would have left but he had to go investigating like a cop like I commetted some type of felony lol he didn't have to waste his time with all that
he didn't have to go facebook stalking a madden league is not that serious
Tricky
Well you were a good owner so he didn't wanna have to boot you unless you were really controlling two teams. That's why he tried to figure it out
What was the point of having 2 teams in the same league though ?
Sam Ross
yea It was a cool lil league
Tricky
Yeah but why lie and make someone up? Doesn't that seem weird to you?
It's not something a perfectly sane human being would do
Sam Ross
the dude is really real and he did play some games but most of the time it was me he just comes over a bunch he don't have Internet for his ps4 it ain't like I am crazy and have 2 personalities lol
he played last week against you
he played most of this year that is why the record is like it is lol
Tricky
Is that the truth? Or do you have 2 personalities and they've taken over to the extent that you don't know who is who anymore
Tricky
You literally just told me 17 minutes ago sam Ross is JB and you made him up
Sam Ross
hahahah Nahh trick i am very stable mined with 2 very healthy kids and a wife i provide a roof over there head and put food in there mouth
because Sam Ross is fake
my cousin is Jermey Ladd
Tricky
So why did you make up a name if you have an actual cousin with an actual name?
Sam Ross
now he is real he is the one that played some of the Falcons games when he was over here
Tricky
This is very interesting to me
Sam Ross
I ain't about to pay for somebody playstation network and Sam Ross is the name on the account
so I just went with it
Tricky
On what account?
You're a very interesting individual, I'm sure if I posted this in a public forum it would get a trillion views
Sam Ross
the mamba account
Tricky
Who is mamba? Is that your nickname?
Sam Ross
hell no that's after Kobe Bryant
how am I interesting i used a made up name in a madden league.? lol
Tricky
In 2 separate leagues. 4 teams. That's interesting. Your wife must be a saint for putting up with all that
Sam Ross
she though is was funny Yall was acting that way about it she was texting Yall off of this account earlier
Tricky
She didn't think it was weird that you made up a name to play a video game? You guys are truly meant for each other. Two peas in a pod
Sam Ross
the thing is it ain't that serious lol
I never though it would be this serious
Tricky
I still don't understand why one team in the league wasn't enough
Sam Ross
I sure as hell don't play lobby ball just wanted to play in a league and Yalls was good
Tricky
Yeah it is a good league. That doesn't explain why you needed two teams but I guess I'll never get that answer
You know I gotta ask how you felt about me calling you McBetty ...
Sam Ross
it just a nickname lol just like tricky is yours it just a name lol
Tricky
I personally thought it was the greatest nickname of all time
Sam Ross
and the reason I done it cause I just wanted to play more games lol if I didn't feel like playing then I wouldn't play in the mamba account I was only in alpha and omega
Tricky
You could have easily just joined more leagues
Sam Ross
the nickname did come outta no where lol
Nick H
So now you have no leagues? I know of a league called OMFL you could check out
Sam Ross
I could have but didn't feel like looking for a good league when I was already in a good idk even remember how I found Yalls league lol
I am in Isl I got i that one a couple days ago
it's a good lg
Tricky
You hear of OMFL?
Sam Ross
yea I am cool with Dunn I been trying to get in that one but he hasn't had no openings
Tricky
I don't know who Dunn is, sounds like a real jerkoff if you ask me. CUse told me about it
Sam Ross
hahaha he can be sometimes dude kicked me cause I was sick one week and could play my games
pissed me off
Tricky
That's rough. How'd you play your 6 games here that week? Or did 'Sam Ross' play them?
Sam Ross
I didn't most of the time i would make sure that my JB games would be played but the Bengals in omega I never really played their games
Sam Ross
I mean I know your in like 2 or 3 lg ain't you ?
Tricky
See what happens when you take on 4 teams and 2 personalities? It never works just look at mrs doubtfire
Sam Ross
who is that ? llol
Tricky
Never mind. Well I'm glad I could hear your side of the story, it's pretty crazy to think you pulled that off for so long but kudos to you, you cat-fished two leagues.
Sam Ross
lol it was fun maybe I can join next year
Tricky
Yeah you'll have plenty of time to make up different aliases
How we found out:
Our MOD CShearman had brought it to my attention that he suspected Berry might be Mamba based on their play styles, and playcalling. We already knew they “knew” each other because Berry recommended Mamba, but this caused us to look further into it and keep a close eye on it. While paying more attention to it, we started to see certain things that stood out. One was that Mamba’s cell was hard to reach, and when some people got an answer it was sometimes from his “fiance” telling us he was sleeping. When Berry was asked how he knew Mamba, at one point he had told us that they were friends and neighbors because their fiances were best friends, only for Berry to tell us a week later that he and Mamba are cousins. I tried to see if I could catch them by asking Mamba to sign up on daddyleagues, which I knew tracked IP addresses. The IP addresses didn’t match, but that could have been because of the fact that Berry and Mamba signed up for DL in different locations or devices (home and work, cell and cpu). Another tactic I took was to check Facebook for a Jordan Berry, and try to see if Sam Ross (mamba) had a Facebook as well. Only Berry did, but while on Berry’s page I realized something, his fiances name was the same name of the email Mamba used to sign up for daddyleagues. With that piece of info, combined with the many inconsistencies and signs they displayed over the past few weeks, we felt we had almost enough to approach him about it. The final straw would come Week 12 in Alpha when both were scheduled to play each other, we knew if one went on auto it would be enough for us. Surely enough, on a Tuesday when the advance is Thursday, Mamba comes in the chat to say he has to go on auto, this was when we approached him about it. Now, you’ll hear Berry talk about how he would have admitted it if I would have just came to him about it, he says this despite the fact that when I brought him into a chat with our Mods to get his side, he denied it for almost an hour, and still never admitted it to us until he spoke to Tricky. We take it seriously for a couple of reasons, first being that it’s deceitful, and the second being that he made/attempted trades with himself. He was using Mamba as some sort of extension of his team, trading for Julio Jones and trying multiple times to trade for Gerald McCoy. So that’s the gist of it, there were many more signs than the ones I listed, but these were the biggest telltale ones I could think of at the moment. I hope you enjoy the interview. -Mike
This interview is in rough form (copy and pasted directly from the GroupMe DM). It was done from Berry's "other" GroupMe under his Mamba name Sam Ross.
Tricky
Who is sam Ross
All I wanna know
Sam Ross
lol Sam ross is JB
Tricky
Where did you come up with that name?
Sam Ross
only reason I told you is cause you see the only cool one and I just made is up I mean it even sounds like a made up name haha
Tricky
We've pretty much known for a few weeks, we were looking forward to this day when both teams played each other
Why would you do that?
Like is there something seriously wrong with you? Or do you really just have no life at all
Sam Ross
I mean i though Yall figured out a long time ago lol I mean mamba was never in the chat and I just wanted 2 teams in the league it ain't like I fucked up the league or anything if mike would have texted me and asked me I just would have left but he had to go investigating like a cop like I commetted some type of felony lol he didn't have to waste his time with all that
he didn't have to go facebook stalking a madden league is not that serious
Tricky
Well you were a good owner so he didn't wanna have to boot you unless you were really controlling two teams. That's why he tried to figure it out
What was the point of having 2 teams in the same league though ?
Sam Ross
yea It was a cool lil league
Tricky
Yeah but why lie and make someone up? Doesn't that seem weird to you?
It's not something a perfectly sane human being would do
Sam Ross
the dude is really real and he did play some games but most of the time it was me he just comes over a bunch he don't have Internet for his ps4 it ain't like I am crazy and have 2 personalities lol
he played last week against you
he played most of this year that is why the record is like it is lol
Tricky
Is that the truth? Or do you have 2 personalities and they've taken over to the extent that you don't know who is who anymore
Tricky
You literally just told me 17 minutes ago sam Ross is JB and you made him up
Sam Ross
hahahah Nahh trick i am very stable mined with 2 very healthy kids and a wife i provide a roof over there head and put food in there mouth
because Sam Ross is fake
my cousin is Jermey Ladd
Tricky
So why did you make up a name if you have an actual cousin with an actual name?
Sam Ross
now he is real he is the one that played some of the Falcons games when he was over here
Tricky
This is very interesting to me
Sam Ross
I ain't about to pay for somebody playstation network and Sam Ross is the name on the account
so I just went with it
Tricky
On what account?
You're a very interesting individual, I'm sure if I posted this in a public forum it would get a trillion views
Sam Ross
the mamba account
Tricky
Who is mamba? Is that your nickname?
Sam Ross
hell no that's after Kobe Bryant
how am I interesting i used a made up name in a madden league.? lol
Tricky
In 2 separate leagues. 4 teams. That's interesting. Your wife must be a saint for putting up with all that
Sam Ross
she though is was funny Yall was acting that way about it she was texting Yall off of this account earlier
Tricky
She didn't think it was weird that you made up a name to play a video game? You guys are truly meant for each other. Two peas in a pod
Sam Ross
the thing is it ain't that serious lol
I never though it would be this serious
Tricky
I still don't understand why one team in the league wasn't enough
Sam Ross
I sure as hell don't play lobby ball just wanted to play in a league and Yalls was good
Tricky
Yeah it is a good league. That doesn't explain why you needed two teams but I guess I'll never get that answer
You know I gotta ask how you felt about me calling you McBetty ...
Sam Ross
it just a nickname lol just like tricky is yours it just a name lol
Tricky
I personally thought it was the greatest nickname of all time
Sam Ross
and the reason I done it cause I just wanted to play more games lol if I didn't feel like playing then I wouldn't play in the mamba account I was only in alpha and omega
Tricky
You could have easily just joined more leagues
Sam Ross
the nickname did come outta no where lol
Nick H
So now you have no leagues? I know of a league called OMFL you could check out
Sam Ross
I could have but didn't feel like looking for a good league when I was already in a good idk even remember how I found Yalls league lol
I am in Isl I got i that one a couple days ago
it's a good lg
Tricky
You hear of OMFL?
Sam Ross
yea I am cool with Dunn I been trying to get in that one but he hasn't had no openings
Tricky
I don't know who Dunn is, sounds like a real jerkoff if you ask me. CUse told me about it
Sam Ross
hahaha he can be sometimes dude kicked me cause I was sick one week and could play my games
pissed me off
Tricky
That's rough. How'd you play your 6 games here that week? Or did 'Sam Ross' play them?
Sam Ross
I didn't most of the time i would make sure that my JB games would be played but the Bengals in omega I never really played their games
Sam Ross
I mean I know your in like 2 or 3 lg ain't you ?
Tricky
See what happens when you take on 4 teams and 2 personalities? It never works just look at mrs doubtfire
Sam Ross
who is that ? llol
Tricky
Never mind. Well I'm glad I could hear your side of the story, it's pretty crazy to think you pulled that off for so long but kudos to you, you cat-fished two leagues.
Sam Ross
lol it was fun maybe I can join next year
Tricky
Yeah you'll have plenty of time to make up different aliases
